Although most automakers proudly announced their intention to switch to a product portfolio dominated by electric vehicles, customers did not share their enthusiasm. Although a small group of loyal early adopters are eager to see electrification become the norm, the relative infancy of the technology and the general gap in the charging infrastructure prevent them from becoming the majority. But manufacturers seem to think it's just a matter of time, and they will be able to make up for the difference through fleet sales.
Car manufacturers advertise with lower-than-average operating costs and generous subsidies provided by developed countries throughout the world, convincing themselves that electric vehicles will soon become the de facto means of transportation for entities that need to improve their stables. At the same time, we heard signs of resistance from Ford fleet customers to its new F-150 Lightning pickup truck and E-Transit truck.
Blue Oval believes that the combination of its new vehicles with an updated version of its fleet management suite that prioritizes telematics and data accumulation will result in a large number of customers interested in more direct control of its commercial fleet. The fact that they will also become electric vehicles should make them more appetizing due to government incentives and the fact that they do not need to refuel.
"[Lightning and E-Transit] are aimed at people who really do real work," Ford Pro CEO Ted Cannis said at a recent auto summit by Reuters.
But some of these potential fleet buyers are adopting a "wait and see" attitude, partly because of lack of experience with electric vehicles, and partly because of the lack of clarity in government policies and regulations on electric vehicles.
Cannis told Reuters that in the long run, these are not insurmountable obstacles:
"In the U.S., by 2030, we will see 70 [%] of the full-size bus and van industry becoming electrified. More than 300,000 cars per year. We expect that by 2030, one-third of the full-size pickup (market) One will switch to full electric, which means more than 800,000 cars per year."
Cannis said that with electric work trucks and vans, fleet customers can save on fuel, maintenance and repair costs, but employees and managers "still fear the unknown of electric vehicles."
Perhaps by 2030, the necessary infrastructure will be in place to promote the widespread adoption of electric vehicles, and they will reach financial parity with internal combustion engine vehicles. However, electric cars currently require more advanced planning to make full use of their power systems, and you must pay more for them in advance to save money over time. Some of the fleet managers we interviewed said that it is difficult for them to figure out how to make electric vehicles serve their businesses. People also expressed concern about its sluggish resale value, the possibility of charging downtime, and how much it would cost to replace the battery system. Although considering how short most fleet cycles happen to be, the latter problem is unlikely to arise.
On the other hand, managers are almost generally interested in the government incentives implemented by the Biden administration and want to know whether the ever-changing regulatory environment will soon make electric vehicles a necessary supplement to their garages. Governor Gavin Newsom has repeatedly stated that California will phase out internal-combustion vehicles and may even begin to ban diesel trucks from using certain roads to reduce pollution. Many other states are politically aligned with California and may follow its example. These are the concerns of business owners. But there is no specific legislation to guarantee any of the above, and the free market (or the rest) is not ready to put electric cars on a pedestal.
However, Cannis seemed fearless. He claims that everyone who has driven the all-electric F series thinks it is the most exciting full-size pickup truck produced by Ford, with 150,000 reservations as evidence.
It actually makes more than the car manufacturer actually makes. In August, Blue Oval doubled its production target to 80,000 lighting devices per year to meet demand. But this capacity should not be realized until 2024, and the model will be launched in 2022. Frankly speaking, the pickup clearly exceeded expectations before anyone had a chance to really shake off (Ford has allowed some well-known influencers and Joe Biden to drive prototypes), and it’s strange that the head of Ford’s commercial fleet didn’t even bother to mention it. The company has been opposed by customers.
Our guess is that certain types of companies currently believe that electric vehicles are not feasible. We have noticed that the level of acceptance varies greatly depending on the type of work the fleet manager needs the vehicle to do. A localized fleet that focuses on precise routes and predictable downtime is ideal for electrification. However, long-distance transporters who take different routes use less electric vehicles and have far fewer practical choices.
The U.S. government is also facing difficulties in achieving the Biden administration’s ambitious goal of electrifying the entire federal fleet. First, many government rides (especially those used by the USPS) have the longest service life of any fleet vehicle you may encounter. If they choose the wrong product just to stimulate the adoption of electric vehicles, it will increase significant financial risks.
The current federal fleet has approximately 657,000 vehicles. However, as of August 2021, agencies have only purchased about 500 zero-emission vehicles, and data from the General Services Administration (GSA) currently shows that electric vehicles account for less than 1% of the total. The transition is progressing slowly, and officials pointed to supply issues and difficulties in selecting suitable vehicles for various departments as the biggest obstacles.
White House National Climate Adviser Gina McCarthy said at the GSA FedFleet meeting in June: "The opportunity is obvious, but first we need to admit that we started with a low baseline." "I want to thank thousands of team management professionals leading This work has demonstrated our leadership and commitment to winning the future. The many institutions that will work together to achieve our goals reflect the entire government’s approach to the climate crisis."
With a lot of marketing materials promoting electrification and encouraging companies to build fleets focused on electric vehicles, it is often difficult to truly understand how things are actually going. Ford said Lightning has exceeded expectations. But the person in charge of Ford Pro said that customers hesitate. The federal government is determined to replace burning vehicles with electric vehicles. But it failed to put more than 500 units on the road. Manufacturers are promoting electric vehicles everywhere. But the share of pure electric vehicles in the products actually sold to customers is still very small.
By 2022, it will not alleviate my suspicions. But 2030 should provide enough time for plug-ins to continue to mature. Considering how much progress has been made in electric vehicles over the past decade, future electric vehicles should be able to cope with new challenges and make internal combustion engine vehicles worthwhile. Or they may not be able to see the development of the necessary infrastructure and technology, and eventually it will be like autonomous driving-another unfulfilled industrial promise.
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I still like the idea of 100% torque at 0 RPM, but since my 2010 F-150 is only 144,000 kilometers, it will take me at least another ten years to enter the market.
My 2010 has 238,000 vehicles. Statistically, that model year was one of the most reliable trucks Ford made. I have very few problems. T-shaped solenoid valve, front axle seal, left rear door disconnection and a coil package within the warranty period. The rest are wear parts, such as tires, brakes, shock absorbers.
Well, how much does this incentive and other irrational nonsense cost me? I rarely go to densely populated areas and focus on them, the fleet, the government, and other aspects, leaving me alone. Stop me within the city limits and shoot if I defy.
The rest of us will join when it makes sense, save the sky and so on, we promise.
Do whatever you want-everything is happening no matter what.
Due to the shortage of rare earth components, there is no electricity or capacity to expand battery production
This is bad news for the secret agents in the black helicopter, who are circling in your yard waiting to force you to buy an electric car at gunpoint that I am sure there must be.
Agents who are not black helicopters tried to force me to buy an electric car for myself. It is politicians who try to use tax policies to force me to pay for your shiny new electric car, which troubles me. You like them, okay... buy one. leave me alone.
Lanzhou has refused to register vehicles over a certain age and has set a date when electric vehicles are required.
This is how it happened. Just like those terrible, twisted, mercury-filled CFL 100-watt bulbs suddenly disappeared. We have experienced this situation, but hope that LED can replace the battery dream with actual work. Capacitors for fast charging and nuclear power plants everywhere! Because a powerful grid might do it.
It’s not like the ICE exhaust will force others to pay any price, right? Oh. Yes. You are full of exhaust. I forgot.
O5lgt What you are talking about is shorthand, which many people don't understand. The exhaust gas you are talking about is carbon dioxide. Many people think it is the most harmless exhaust gas because it occurs naturally in large quantities and has a natural cycle, which is essential to life. Talk to them about this, but don't keep your voice down like bullying them, it should be fine.
What I want to say is that all Lightning pre-orders are from ordinary consumers, not the fleet. Yes, of course the team manager is hesitant about new technology. It takes time to win them. What I want to say is no big deal.
The team will own them for a period of time before they enter the showroom, which gives Ford time to solve the problem. The fleet will not be flooded with complaints on social media, they still have work to do.
It will be the city fleet that will buy them. One of the reasons why teams oppose change is that they like the consistency of parts and service. If they carry out the repairs themselves, replacing a different product will incur additional costs. Electric cars do not need oil/filter maintenance, but they have a fear of strangers.
Mr. @DenverMike, maybe General Motors or Ford might-gasp-give away some fleet vehicles. Let the company run them for a year or so, and then give them more new ones, and bring back to the laboratory/test center/engineering facilities the ones that have been used in the real world for a year. Stallantis will provide Hellcat with office air handlers.
"Give away a few fleet vehicles."
That did happen. I saw an RCMP Nissan Altima wandering around and was told it was a "demo" car. I can see the city police force buying lightning.
The fleet will like the shortest service and maintenance downtime. Based on this alone, IC cannot compete with electricity at all.
Tell the owner of the Mach-Escapes that the Ford dealer tells them that their vehicle cannot be repaired.
Sorry, sir, it says under the heading "Things that cannot be repaired" in the service manual.
Competition and high prices and/or gasoline shortages will help fleet managers determine the next course of action. The next step of management should be to develop a plan to gradually reduce gasoline production and manufacturing shortages, which will encourage customers to adapt to electric vehicles as soon as possible.
"The government's next step should be to develop a plan to gradually reduce gasoline production and manufacturing shortages, which will encourage customers to adapt to electric vehicles as soon as possible."
Finally, I checked and Biden was busy asking OPEC for more oil. Too bad, he does not have a neighbor who is eager to provide him with more fossil fuels, and even eager to build a system to easily serve his voters. Wait a moment…….
@deanst-Everyone is now begging oil producers for more fuel. This is not just a problem for the United States.
Why do you need to beg someone to sell you oil? This is a free market-just pay the right price. People are still sitting at home, and the demand for gasoline should not be too great.
Mr. @deanst, we also returned oil to our polite neighbors in the north.
"For beginners, many government rides (especially those used by USPS) have the longest service life of any fleet vehicle you may encounter. If they choose the wrong product just to stimulate the electric car Adopted, which will increase significant financial risks."
If you use an electric car, this can also provide meaningful savings. With an average of 6 miles per gallon, it is not difficult to improve the fuel economy of the post office. This is not like the USPS, which is a model of efficiency today.
Do you know that dream that you forgot to do your homework?
I want to know if Bill Ford ("a lifelong environmentalist") ever woke up and realized, "Oh, nonsense! I forgot to green the company!"
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/people/william-clay-ford–jr-.html
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Ford2021.shtml
(Maybe he is fly fishing.)
You are talking about the United States, which of course lags behind developed countries by about ten years. You are talking about Ford, arguably the laziest company to transition to electric vehicles-hardly a measure.
But about the free market-do you want a free market? Stop subsidizing oil and charge the actual cost of natural gas. There will be a very fast transition. No-too free.
Yes, the rover on Mars has been for more than 20 years, and is now exploring in interstellar space, the flyby of Pluto and the guy on the moon 50 years ago, and of course the location of the company that is actually driving the electric car revolution. But we are not really an advanced country, I think.
I know that people like you prefer to portray us as a beggar country relying on soup kitchens to survive, but in fact, if you are not a lazy social leech, you will usually do well here.
In fact, the United States is a collection of first, second, and third world economies. This is supported by facts.
In fact, unlike other developed countries, the United States is a collection of people in the first, second, and third worlds. This is supported by facts. Compared with the United States, which is more racially and ethnically diverse, most European countries, as well as Canada and Australia, have more whites than whites, and 20% of the U.S. population was born in a foreign country.
"You are talking about the United States. Of course, the United States is about ten years behind the developed countries."
You equate the progress of mediocre electric cars with advanced, which is very interesting.
How can you make progress if you step backwards?
Biden said that he has no policy to let oil prices fall after he first rises. Don't worry, you will soon see the country's gasoline at $5 per gallon and sales of electric vehicles will pick up.
This is what happens when you stop the pipeline on the first day you become president. A week later, federal land and waters suspended new oil and gas leases. For example, the Ministry of the Interior approved only 171 drilling permits on federal land in August, a decrease of 75% from April. This is not everyone
The Biden administration also took action to suspend the existing lease of the Alaska Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and initiated a new review of the Alaska National Petroleum Reserve, which may also exclude it. Understood-"oil reserves" will be a forbidden zone for oil.
Then he signed a congressional resolution on methane gas that Trump has cancelled. He will replace it with more expensive hydraulic fracturing regulations.
Biden also initiated financial supervision of the industry. As Biden’s May order stated, the Fed is seeking to implement new rules on “climate-related financial risks”. The aim was to close the source of funding and increase the cost of capital in the industry, and it succeeded.
Fossil fuel is the new tobacco for Biden and his ultra-liberal radicals.
So now he begged Saudi Arabia to increase oil, saying that he didn't know how to stop oil prices from falling.
Yeah, yes. Just reverse your extremely radical freedom policy.
PMIRP1 Potato Head-hit that-I mean President Obama did it on purpose. join in;
– The horror of the Afghans evacuating and gifting them $85 billion in military equipment (more than what we have given to Israel since 1947) – The border – just like before Trump – is open. -Spending spree. -Disrespect China. They laughed at us. After the Winter Olympics, there is still one year for the potato leaders to vote to step down, and they will win Taiwan. The chaos and market collapse afterwards.
The devil cat/communist wants to destroy this country. Then they can rebuild it all under complete control.
-But at least they got rid of Trump. You can believe that he once wrote on Twitter: "Dr. Fauci throws baseball like a girl." I'm glad we don't have that anymore.
All this is stupid and completely incorrect. First of all, the idea that the president can brag about gasoline prices is pure nonsense.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/09/26/revisiting-the-blame-for-high-gas-prices/?sh=f4a8a94e31e9
It's not worth my time to understand all this.
I will let the two of you enjoy each other in your Brightbart fantasy room. Be sure to put a "Do Not Disturb" sign on the door.
@freedMike-Yes. Shortsighted. This is a global problem. Large oil producers such as the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) and Russia deliberately slowly increase production to push up prices. Others are enjoying the same profits, but it will take time to increase. Closing unfinished pipelines has no effect on prices.
The decision of Keystone Pipeline may not affect current prices, but I think it is worth discussing whether policies to limit future domestic fossil fuel production and refining are wise. The Forbes article you quoted *really* says that Biden's move may worsen future supply problems and cause prices to rise. Is it obviously worth being at the mercy of OPEC or Russia?
I know that the Democratic Party’s plan is to vigorously switch to renewable energy and pure electric vehicles, but you should not go out and buy smaller jeans before you lose weight. High consumer energy prices and "persistence" policies will only make you more likely to make the zombie Calvin Coolidge president sometime between now and 2030, and that government will spend $0 on renewable energy.
Keystone is not a decision made in January this year, and will not affect production and prices six months later. Keystone was a 10-year decision, because the political wind blows mung beans in and out of power, and this capricious unpredictability has weakened the entire domestic energy industry (and almost all other industries) for decades. Discontinuations, short supply and high prices are not hypothetical futures. They are today, and the Democratic Party owns them.
It is best to send the money to OPEC. Americans and Canadians are too white.
FreedMike, if you have no opinion, please do not comment. I listed your projects one by one, you said I was wrong, and put some links in your response, as if people should read an article from the link. right…
Lou_BC, the United States is the world’s largest oil producer, OPEC and Russia are forced to comply with lower prices before the pandemic. Due to the pandemic, oil production has decreased. Apart from all the actions by Biden I have listed, there is no reason why they cannot be added again. But yes, just agree with the broken FreedMike link. Maybe you should stick to things you know better, such as union support and dirty taxi groups supporting the wishes of British Columbia's free men to support Uber and Lyft.
Military spending is a gift to manufacturers, and Afghans only export.
"Biden said that he has no policy to make oil prices fall after he first rises. Don't worry, you will soon see the country's $5 per gallon of gasoline and electric car sales will pick up."
very true. This is all by design. Under the leadership of the last (and true) president, we achieved energy independence. We have pipelines to keep natural gas prices low.
The chief Alzheimer's (he said he has been a vice president for 36 years now) canceled all of these for reasons that are not yet clear.
In addition to the fact that we know them, he also wants to make it so economically heavy just to own a car that people give up. When you have to choose between natural gas and food, you cut off natural gas.
Interestingly, the energy independence plans considered by the Orange Rebellion King were largely implemented by his predecessors.
Because in today's world full of fake news and misinformation, any good things that happen under (the extraordinary Trump administration) are not the result of his policies. It's Obama or a unicorn, or a magic fairy dust.
On the contrary, any bad things that happen under the installed "Let's Go to Brandon" government (actually everything) are simply the Trump administration's fault.
High oil prices = Trump’s fault (although oil prices have been very low throughout his presidency)
Rapidly rising inflation rate = Trump’s fault (although this will not be a problem during his entire presidency)
Large-scale crisis on the southern border = Trump's fault (although the border was much safer during his presidency). Let us ignore the fact that Biden is implementing the Trump-era border policy (remaining in Mexico).
Compared to 2020, the number of Covid deaths in 2021 is higher = Trump's fault, even though Brandon said he wants to crush it, the existence of vaccines, etc.
Yes, we are the world's largest oil producer in 2020. This is a fact. However, Russia’s oil reserves are twice ours, while Saudi Arabia’s oil reserves are four times ours. Come on, beat your chest and feet, shout "freedom" as you like. We will run out of oil before the Russians and Saudis. Is there anyone in Oil Crisis 2.0? We also export oil to other countries. I’m not sure why we export oil to Canada and Mexico. These countries have strong oil industries, but we did. Who is the third largest customer of a major U.S. oil company? China. Yes, those guys; our two countries are economically intertwined. There is a magical place near Battery Park in New York City, called the New York Mercantile Exchange. Crude oil futures are traded there and the world price is determined. Yes, a group of people running around in ugly overalls, so the suit jackets will not be destroyed, determining the price of crude oil. Gone are the days when the Texas Railroad Commission set prices for West Texas sweet crude oil. Oh, and the Texas Railroad Commission used to monitor how much crude oil was produced. Then one day in the 1970s, they more or less said: "Turn on all the taps, drill all the wells, and let it flow freely". So no, the President of the United States does not set oil prices. Fracturing machines do not set crude oil prices, they just react to them. When the oil rose so much, they started fracturing; when the oil fell too much, they stopped fracturing. In the end; electric vehicles are part of the solution, as are renewable energy and biofuels. Vehicle CAFE standards and more efficient HVAC systems will also help. I don’t understand why 70% of the GSA fleet cannot use EVs within five years, why can’t I install solar panels on the roofs of buildings owned by the federal government, and why my office keeps freezing? Finally, we need to determine a way to neither import more oil from bad places, but also to preserve our reserves.
El scotto, this winter, when you pay more for natural gas to heat your room, go to support windmills and solar panels. This winter, as the price of gasoline rises to $5 per gallon, please loudly support non-existent electric vehicles and non-existent electric vehicle infrastructure.
Some of my employees in Louisiana were injured in the last hurricane. They refueled their cars and drove to Alabama to move, while the power company restored power (it takes about two weeks). Do you think they could have escaped from Louisiana when their electric cars had no electricity anywhere after the hurricane?
I am not an expert in commodity markets. However, we trade products without regard to borders. Oil is an international commodity. Therefore, it trades internationally. We control oil prices based on supply and demand, and based on expectations that cross-border supply between our three major North American countries and allowing pipelines to crisscross borders will increase. However... As I said on the first day, Biden stopped all this. Because of environmental rights and some nonsense rights reserved by India.
As for why oil cross-border (I am not an expert), but I think it is because of refining capacity and oil grade. Therefore, oil is transported through pipelines (hopefully) to places where we have refining capacity, because if you have seen these refineries, you will know that their construction costs are very high, so we take advantage of the existing capacity between our countries .
Yes, oil is even shipped overseas. In fact, I read on WSJ this morning that there is a shortage of propane, because other countries need our propane, so households that use propane for heating in the United States will feel it in their wallets this winter. It is also called the free market. We sell to the highest bidder. It is no different from gold, diamonds or other natural resources. This is an international market.
The way to control prices is to increase production capacity, but Biden has stopped growing.
Believe me, I know from my wife (she is from Odessa) and her relatives in Texas that unless Biden changes his attitude, they have no intention of turning on the fracking faucet and will only gradually expand. He is the problem. They need to be assured. There is enough oil between our three countries for our generations to use. But Biden and the Greens are the problem.
"The way to control prices is to increase production capacity, but Biden has stopped growing."
Yes, because Biden wants higher gasoline prices-they will do wonders for his approval ratings and greatly help his party.
But back to reality. First, Biden does not control oil production or prices. Secondly, since he took office, we have extracted more oil in the country and imported more oil.
U.S. crude oil production: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS1&f=M
U.S. petroleum imports: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRIMUS1&f=M
So, if the supply of oil increases, why will the price of natural gas rise? This is your culprit:
https://fortune.com/2021/10/11/gas-prices-triple-crude-oil-above-80-supply-shortage-4-dollars-per-gallon/
Oil demand is rising and global supply is tight. But I believe Tucker Carlson has a different story...
"Yes, because Biden wants higher gasoline prices-they will do wonders for his approval ratings and help his party immensely.
Do you think the people who manage this government clown show care about Brandon's approval rating? Everything he did (or didn't do) caused his approval rating to drop. His approval rating has fallen faster than any president in modern history.
Of course, the wind bag who couldn't even walk up the stairs and claimed to have been a vice president for 36 years wanted higher oil prices. It contributes to their green agenda (not related to the environment or green).
Our natural gas price is a direct result of his policy to cancel the infrastructure projects we need. Why? Because he is an idiot, he has Alzheimer's disease.
"What am I doing here?" Joe Brandon at CNN City Hall. Probably the most accurate question he has asked in his entire political career.
The fact that you are so blind is shocking. #FJB
I feel a little bit sad for Brandon because I think he is very contradictory about the whole thing, despite his reduced ability, he is more or less coerced. now…
But you are right, they don't care about citizen approval at all. It is increasingly difficult for the propaganda department to keep a straight face. The real approval is at most 25-35%, and I expect it to drop to 20-30% soon. What is really interesting is that when 20-35% of semi-conscious and semi-conscious people start to give thumbs up, it really exposes the true lunatics who can no longer defend their mental illness.
"Russia's oil reserves are twice ours, and Saudi Arabia's oil reserves are four times ours." This is very true. There is something called the "strategic oil reserve". If the United States really burns all its oil reserves, then old farts can have cheap natural gas, then it will be at the mercy of other countries militarily. China can produce enough oil to be self-sufficient, but they don't. Ask yourself why?
I bet that if the U.S. government allows roads or pipelines to be built through your property without proper compensation, you will go crazy.
"There is enough oil between our three countries for our generations to use."
One generation lasts approximately 25 years. At the current rate of consumption, the United States will run out of oil by 2060. This is less than two generations.
How about doing some logical research and letting the facts speak for themselves, instead of filtering everything through selfish short-sighted and political lenses?
When did people who make votes, count votes, and then announce the results of the votes care about popularity?
Brandon doesn't even know where he is, but the machine does put him there like a chit.
And those radically free radicals will be the only ones with ICE. When "The Beast" is successfully powered on, I might listen.
They actually discussed making the "beast" all electric in May. The White House even claimed that the government’s top priority is to demonstrate the seriousness of converting the entire federal fleet into electric vehicles.
It hasn't happened yet, and based on the crazy weight carried by armored luxury cars, I don't think it will happen anytime soon.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2021/05/fisker-to-build-electric-popemobile-white-house-wants-beast-ev/
Thankfully, the highway is flooded with EV Semis... Wait a minute.
Semi-finished EVs require batteries with a density of at least 300 Wh/kg. For many reasons. These batteries are still in the trial production stage. When they are mass-produced, you will see semi-finished products on the road. Until then, they will be scarce or non-existent. Even if semi-finished products are put into production, they will be scarce due to low productivity.
I read that a local company started to install a system that allows trucks to run on a mixture of diesel and hydrogen. There is another local company that produces chemicals for the pulp mill. Hydrogen is a waste by-product. They plan to increase production to sell for commercial use. Win-win.
Our company fully switched to Windows 10 at the beginning of last year. Of course, the company will be cautious when moving to such a brand-new product. They will wait to see if there are any kinks and move when they feel comfortable.
The conservative customers of pickup trucks are the ones least likely to buy an electric car.
I used to live in a very conservative area of town—think about 80% of registered Republicans—where Tesla was thick on the ground.
"Electric cars are only for people who embrace trees" is nonsense.
When all the trees are gone, something must be embraced;)
Mr. @akear, pickup trucks are considered durable vehicles. Conservative people buy durable goods. I'm not sure about pure electric vehicles, but hybrid vehicles have a huge following among the STEM crowd. Some Stemmies went from-insulting TTAC-Prius to-even more insulting TTAC-Tesla. Show them that the total cost of ownership will be lower, and they will buy. Oh, some days I will die because of the plug-in on the truck bed.
Matt Boski is not a fan of electric cars. understood. yawn.
He is like most reasonable people.
I am unreasonable and irresponsible. My Porter-Cable 737 wired "tiger saw" reciprocating saw has a rated current of 11.5 amps (it may be higher when starting or under load).
The other day I used it to make two axial cuts on each front hub of my car (we broke the hubs, but were able to move them away to pull the bearings; save the steering knuckle-we can do it all" On the "vehicle).
[It's much cheaper than buying a "load" knuckle with bearings and wheels installed. We can choose a bearing that is better than the load knuckle. How do I know this? Because I first "loaded" the steering knuckles and quickly destroyed the new bearings by over-tightening them-because I was unreasonable and irresponsible (car education is not free). ]
In any case, these are four fairly large cuts that are better than ordinary steel. My *cordless* reciprocating saw is not the right tool for this job (the corded 737 is obviously getting hot).
Because I'm unreasonable and irresponsible, I *like* being able to plug high-current power tools into the vehicle instead of the wall outlet. (Not all bad things in life are close to power outlets.)
@ToolGuy I (or we) need a good electrical engineer. Imagine an electric truck with four 110-volt sockets and 50-amp wires for use by welders. This will be a work truck; drive it back to the store or your home every night and recharge it.
"Because I am unreasonable and irresponsible, I *like* being able to plug high-current power tools into the vehicle instead of the wall outlet. (Not all bad things in life are close to the power outlet.)"
This assumes that anything damaged is closer to the bed of the fake pickup than an ordinary socket. I find it hard to believe. In addition, 2-3' ropes will run along the bed and backsplash, reducing the number of "work ropes" you have. It looks silly.
Flexy, on the farm, has hardly any damage near wired power outlets. You said that the non-existent F-150 has a power socket on the chassis of the truck. At the work site, I used to carry a generator to charge the battery and run power tools. Yes, some plugins will be very convenient. As mentioned earlier, I am waiting for an electric car that can handle welding equipment. Or plasma cutting machines, they are really convenient. who knows? Stellantis may figure this out someday. Marconi is very good at radio. Perhaps the Dutch will use small windmills as renewable energy equipment for all their products.
Scotty, I understand. But this is a very specific case.
In addition, a gas generator is a better choice because it has a greater use in the outlet of the pickup bed.
"In addition, a gas generator is a better choice because it has a greater use in the outlet of the pickup bed."
I have a gas generator (3250 watts, not very big). I rarely use it to power tools for the following reasons: – It is bulky and bulky – Some ICE components are badly aged (for example, pull it out and realize that we need to solve the fuel leakage problem before continuing to use our days) – Not a pure sine wave, and some tools may not be excited about it – hot exhaust poses a danger to property (such as the bed of my truck, unless you drag things back, you have to pay attention to the "direction" to run on the ground) and People (annoying burns) – it’s noisy – it’s smelly (not friendly to the lungs) – it runs constantly, and my tool usage can be very intermittent (for my “typical” use case) [if I have one "Typical" cases; some of my cases are "stupid" and "zero meaning"-except for the customer and me]
Generator size is a big issue-for example, I *never*will* use the 3250 Camping (extra large), and certain tools require a larger generator. Any size we choose is a compromise.
I cannot use the generator indoors (for example, think about a trade show set up in a conference hall).
I can't use my generator on a movie set. [Have time to see what they *make* generators for film production. ]
My MIG welder [technically GMAW; interesting fact: 25% carbon dioxide usually used for "metal inert gas" welding is not "inert"-if you insist, it is "active" or "semi-inert"] Yes 115V 20A. If I can run it from my truck, I will be *excited*.
"Matt Boski is not a fan of electric cars. Got it. Yawn."
Depends on the application. Working in the city and want a juicing truck to load your tools? Live in a place where electric cars are easily charged and you have never risked more than 50 miles from home? Buy an electric car.
Living in the suburbs, do you like to travel long distances, or do you like DIY works in the car? Don't buy and EV.
The only thing I firmly oppose is to circumvent the freedom mark to force something into the collective throat. We are planning the EV roadmap in a short-sighted way, which will come back to bite us. Let consumers adopt it when the technology is mature.
I am a fan of electric cars, which is very important, but I am not a fan of batteries. They are complex and sensitive to temperature, and apart from being short-term stunts, they cannot handle the deep cycles required for large-scale use. Show an effective storage system and we will all become fans! When you scream loudly, who doesn't want the cars out there to sound like an Enterprise engaged with a speed drive?
Shouldn't electric car fans triple the power generation now so that we can power them?
I think Ford thinks they can circumvent the political tendency of "flying over the United States" by letting the electric vehicle conversations focus entirely on capabilities rather than ecology. I think the entire media believes this too-I know I did it. My recent conversations with some dealers in Virginia and Pennsylvania indicate that this is not the case.
Car dealers are often a group of politically conservative people, so I suspect that they might get caught up in the "electric cars used for virtue signals", which is typical here.
However, in the end, if there is something to make money, these people will come up with it.
I'm in the conservative center of rural north-central British Columbia. Local Ford dealers have zero problems selling Mach E. I drove through the Ford parking lot several times a week and it was obvious that I saw something moving. I'm not sure what Lightning will do. It may not be so good due to the travel distance. I saw a lot of Tesla's.
I hope that then Ford will send some surplus supplies north of the border.
@ 28-Cars-Later-The quantity we are talking about is different from the quantity that a Hughes dealer might have. The dealers in my town usually have more than 100 pickup trucks. There may be 20 to 30 SUVs of different models and several cars. I will drive by and see the E with Mach 2-4 in the lot. I will drive by in a few weeks and they will be gone. In terms of inventory, local Ford dealers seem to have the best luck.
Auto dealers also rely heavily on the maintenance income from servicing ICE cars. Electric cars require far fewer services. So far, dealers do not want to sell electric vehicles has been an important issue for OEMs.
"Car dealers are often a group of politically conservative people"
I think they kind of want products that they can actually sell.
I think they will really like electric pickup trucks, SUVs and commercial vehicles. the rest? We will wait and see. I think the above things need to be welcomed before technology can penetrate into cheaper and smaller vehicles.
It's possible, but we don't know yet. So far, everything that does not come from Tesla is poison.
Electric vehicles become the normal battleground of cultural wars, which is not good for everyone, so I believe it will happen.
Hold your breath and wait for the "Model S Plaid Coal Rolling Failure" video.
When small contractors discover that this truck can power their tools all day long, it will be interesting to see what happens.
certainly! Then they can leave it on site because they don't have enough electricity to go home or charge. That's great!
You seem to think that everyone is brainless.
Do you have any personal skins in IC engine games?
"You seem to think that everyone is brainless.
Do you have some personal skins in IC engine games? "
Everyone who blindly drools over these mediocre electric cars is of course no brainer. Who would like very dirty vehicles that are orders of magnitude behind ICE vehicles?
The energy required to propel a large tin truck for 2 or 3 miles is enough to run the tool for a whole day. In addition, the truck does not allow users to run out of battery power. Even this truck is smarter than you. Did you have lead in your brain when you took drugs as a child?
"In addition, the truck does not allow users to drain the battery. Even this truck is smarter than you."
This truck is not smart. Ford engineers are not that smart.
"...Reflects the entire government's approach to the climate crisis..."
Climate crisis? Let me rest.
The left is bent on solving some imaginary problems, such as police killing of POC, systemic racism, and climate change. At the same time, real problems such as homelessness, drug overdose and immigration on the southern border have not been mentioned and resolved. Welcome to the world of clowns.
Do you mean that companies are not keen on replacing their working vehicles with new ones that require several hours of refueling, and only have half the range in cold weather?
What could be the reason they did this? I am stumped.
"It takes several hours for a new car to refuel." This is not a problem when the vehicle is parked overnight for 12 hours and the charging time is 3 hours with a level 2 charger.
"Half the range in cold weather?" I only saw the air-cooled battery EV at -5 degrees Fahrenheit lose 50%. Using modern liquid thermal management, the temperature of the battery uses cabin heat, motor heat and heat pump heating, so the loss is less. The most popular country for electric vehicles is Oway, which is definitely not a tropical paradise.
Maintenance may be cheap. I drove an EV for 100,000 miles, and it only needs a set of tires, a replacement 12-volt battery, windshield washer fluid, and wipers. I think that's it.
Of course, electric vehicles may not be suitable for all commercial applications, but they do apply to many situations.
Before electric vehicles provide advantages for ICs, no one will buy these novel products in large quantities.
There must be no shortcomings, only the upgrade on the IC. That’s how it is, you won’t see Samsung say “Hi, guys, this is our new product, it’s a lot worse than the previous product, but you should buy it anyway”, do you.
Serious automakers like Toyota are committed to making ordinary cars for the foreseeable future for a reason. They know that everyone will not buy this fledgling technology, and they will not give buyers aside from complacency. Bring any benefit, they will not pollute the world with gas, but will pollute the world by encouraging the mining of lithium.
"Until electric cars provide advantages for ICs,"
They are like this. Instant torque. They are quieter and smoother. Much better acceleration. You can also refuel at home without going to the gas station.
"No one buys these novel products in large quantities." A single manufacturer successfully sold 240,000 electric cars. That is collective. Over a million on the road
"There must be no shortcomings." ICE has many shortcomings and people still buy them.
"There is a reason why serious automakers like Toyota are committed to producing ordinary cars for the foreseeable future,"
By 2025, Toyota will launch 15 pure electric vehicles. One of them will go on sale this summer. They are also in a leading position in terms of the number of solid-state battery patents. More than 1,000.
"They know that everyone will not buy this kind of emerging technology that is not good for the buyer." Does Toyota not sell emerging technologies that are not good for the buyer? Ever heard of the future?
Lithium extraction is much cleaner than oil drilling and fracturing. I haven't heard of any lithium oil slick washed up on the beach recently. Maybe I missed it. If you don't like lithium, please go to CATL's sodium ion battery.
Fleet usage may be the best solution to the shortcomings of charging time-they usually go to the same garage or parking lot every night. Therefore, for your typical municipal fleet, the charging problem is not a problem. New York City is fully promoting electric vehicles. So far, the data shows that the total operating costs of electric vehicles are far ahead of the internal combustion engine vehicles they are replacing. Youth club
Lanzhou has refused to register vehicles over a certain age and has set a date when electric vehicles are required.
This is how it happened. Just like those terrible, twisted, mercury-filled CFL 100-watt bulbs suddenly disappeared. We have experienced this situation, but hope that LED can replace the battery dream with actual work. Capacitors for fast charging and nuclear power plants everywhere! Because a powerful grid might do it.
There is a saying.
There is also a solution, albeit a rather annoying solution.
Of course, hell does not involve "voting."
Some people think they will continue to increase face-to-face actions until such an event occurs (although I think the event will be faked to attract loyal Americans). When that incident happened, troops from the NKVD would come in, even though the ammunition was not made of rubber. If they learn from history, those troops will not be Americans, or at least not Americans. I argued in 2014/15 the swarms of illegals being sent from nowhere were to form the backbone of a fifth column irregular army to be deployed around 2024/25 after the last elected president had stepped down and was replaced by the dictatorship we now see. The fact that they accelerated the timetable by four years—when they could have won legally in 2024—is not a good sign for IMO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Troops
I was about to make a sharp comment on "Why do I think Team A montage is about to appear", but at that moment, a large (tandem rotor) military helicopter passed over my house slowly at low speed. [Not even kidding. ]
https://youtu.be/H7zc1iySY1I
Good point, C5. You should never vote.
Astig, as your acrimony proves, we have reached the point where more direct and lasting measures may need to be taken.
Oh, but they make things so easy now, you just need to post it.
Vote early and vote often!
Alas, people cannot simply "vote to exclude" intrusions.
The mileage in 2010 far exceeds your monetary value, and you may go even more.
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